Conspiracy Debate & PubMedia Redux

30 Oct
2009

DCist.com photo of Obama birther prayer circle/protestI have written in the past of my concerns about public media forwarding conspiracy theories as part of community radio programming. A recent incident with KPFT programming has prompted my interest in revisiting this issue, and highlights why I think these conspiracy theories are touchy ones for noncommercial radio and media.

On Oct. 22, 2009, the host of KPFT’s New Capital Show, Leo Gold, in responding to a caller promoting the website of entrepreneur Alex Jones, remarked that what he saw seemed like paranoia, citing specifically implications on the front page of Jones’ website that President Barack Obama was orchestrating a possible declaration of martial law. Here’s a link to the audio of that call. Leo Gold’s comment sparked an on-air debate between Leo and a caller named Clint Milby about the term conspiracy theorist and the potential for martial law. The radio program ended shortly thereafter. Here’s Clint’s call.

For virtually every radio talk show, the exchange was rote. Hosts give opinions on topics all the time and callers may disagree and communicate such. This clash, though, became far bigger than a call. Leo Gold reportedly received a profanity-laced message at his place of business about the program and references to Jones. Milby posted a series of pieces (1, 2, 3, 4) on his own blog, critical of Leo, me and KPFT for Leo’s terming Jones a conspiracy theorist. I engaged Milby, who posted about Leo at my KPFT blog, and was called a despot for my disagreement. Leo also received email critical of his views of Alex Jones and conspiracy theories. What began as a fairly vanilla debate on a radio program culminated into a call by Milby across the Internet to Jones’ supporters (under the banner “KPFT hates Alex Jones”), 9/11 conspiracy theorists, ‘patriots,’ et al. to boycott KPFT’s pledge drive.

Anyone who has listened to talk radio no doubt has heard a host disagree with a caller. Why has criticism of Alex Jones and the conspiracy theory subculture generated such a reaction? The deeply emotional calls conspiracy theories tap into may be part of the reason.

Claims President Obama is planning to declare martial law are among many conspiracy theories related to the current administration. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks ‘patriot’ and hate groups around the United States, notes conspiracy theories have been turned into video games, demands police and soldiers refuse to participate in enforcing said martial law, calls for armed marches and more. In its recent report, the SPLC warns right-wing ‘patriots,’ inflamed during the Clinton years but faded during George W. Bush’s conservative reign, are back, fueled by fears a Democratic president will take away guns, declare martial law and merge the United States with the so-called New World Order. The report notes:

A key difference this time is that the federal government — the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy — is headed by a black man. That, coupled with high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America, has helped to racialize the Patriot movement, which in the past was not primarily motivated by race hate. One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama. At the same time, ostensibly mainstream politicians and media pundits have helped to spread Patriot and related propaganda, from conspiracy theories about a secret network of U.S. concentration camps to wholly unsubstantiated claims about the president’s country of birth.

Writing for AlterNet, Chip Berlet of Political Research Associates, offers another perspective on the ‘patriot’ movement Alex Jones and others are reportedly associated with:

The core narrative of many popular conspiracy theories is that “the people” are held down by a conspiracy of wealthy secret elites manipulating a vast legion of corrupt politicians, mendacious journalists, propagandizing schoolteachers, nefarious bankers and hidden subversive cadres.

This is not an expression of a healthy political skepticism about state power or legitimate calls for reform or radical challenges to government or corporate abuses. This is an irrational anxiety that pictures the world as governed by powerful long-standing covert conspiracies of evildoers who control politics, the economy, and all of history. Scholars call this worldview “conspiracism.”

The term conspiracism, according to historian Frank P. Mintz, denotes a “belief in the primacy of conspiracies in the unfolding of history.” Mintz explains: “Conspiracism serves the needs of diverse political and social groups in America and elsewhere. It identifies elites, blames them for economic and social catastrophes, and assumes that things will be better once popular action can remove them from positions of power. As such, conspiracy theories do not typify a particular epoch or ideology.”

When conspiracism becomes a mass phenomenon, persons seeking to protect the nation from the alleged conspiracy create counter movements to halt the subversion. Historians dub them countersubversives.

The resulting right-wing populist conspiracy theories point upward toward “parasitic elites” seen as promoting collectivist and socialist schemes leading to tyranny. At the same time, the counter-subversives point downward toward the “undeserving poor” who are seen as lazy and sinful and being riled up by subversive community organizers. Sound familiar?

Right-wing demagogues reach out to this supposedly beleaguered white middle class of “producers” and encourage them to see themselves as being inexorably squeezed by parasitic traitors above and below. The rage is directed upwards against a caricature of the conspiratorial “faceless bureaucrats,” “banksters” and “plutocrats” rather than challenging an unfair economic system run on behalf of the wealthy and corporate interests. The attacks and oppression generated by this populist white rage, however, is painfully felt by people lower on the socio-economic ladder, and historically this has been people of color, immigrants and other marginalized groups.

Leo Gold of KPFT’s New Capital Show took to the airwaves Oct. 29 to denounce the call for a boycott, and listeners responded emphatically. No stranger to controversy — KPFT is the only radio station in America to have been bombed off the air by the Ku Klux Klan after all — Houston’s Pacifica radio station raised over $3,600 in the hour (our fundraising goal was $800), with many reporting they were calling to oppose boycott tactics. Leo Gold was particularly pointed in calling for listeners of KPFT to respond to the boycott with support:

Do you think this is the first time someone has called for a boycott of KPFT? Come on. And it isn’t the last time either… How often do you get to call in to a show and bust a boycott on KPFT? How often do you get to call in and say ‘hey, this is what you can do with your boycott.’ I take this call for a boycott seriously. For [me] saying Obama is getting ready to call for martial law is a conspiracy theory, someone calls that hate speech and says I need to be kicked off the station too. So, they’re calling for me to be removed from my job — which is a volunteer job, I’ve never been paid a penny and been doing it for seven or eight years. They want me to be fired, and they want the station to be financially hurt. How many shows do you get to call in and say ‘screw that’?

Post-show, Milby called for 9/11 conspiracy theorists to continue pressing Gold and KPFT. However, I expect Leo, per his remarks on the program, will move on to other topics; the New Capital Show, recipient of past Houston Press readers-choice awards for best talk show, covers an array of subjects, and Leo Gold runs a fast-paced radio program. With health care, the environment, the economy and many subjects on listeners’ minds, Leo Gold has a full programming agenda ahead.

Typical of KPFT, Houston’s Pacifica station swims against the tide of programming that has landed Pacifica in the media recently. Screw Loose Change (referencing the cult 9/11 conspiracy film) points out a recent Nation magazine post on Pacifica and allegations the network is targeting Amy Goodman and Democracy Now! for not reporting 9/11 conspiracy theories as legitimate news stories. Goodman did host a debate some time ago — one of the better ones on the topic — as well as one involving Berlet and a major 9/11 conspiracy figure. The East Bay Express also references 9/11 conspiracy theorists (and the elections process referred to in a recent post on this blog).

I agree with Clint Milby’s assertions noncommercial radio has a journalistic mandate to question the official story. Legendary investigative journalist Seymour Hersh spoke of the My Lai massacre on Pacifica years ago, long before the tragedy was widely discussed. As I have noted in the past, however, we also have an obligation to recognize when a story is outlandish enough to not require our focus, or when other topics require greater focus on our part as journalists and media organizers. 9/11 is an example of a subject that has been so incredibly researched and scrutinized, while a host of issues have yet to receive the attention needed. Take for example Project Censored, which names just a few of the most censored stories of 2009-2010:

  • Ecuador Declares Foreign Debt Illegitimate
  • Private Corporations Profit from the Occupation of Palestine
  • Katrina’s Hidden Race War
  • Congress Invested in Defense Contracts
  • The ICC Facilitates US Covert War in Sudan
  • Bank Bailout Recipients Spent to Defeat Labor
  • Recession Causes States to Cut Welfare

I have no doubt the conspiracy theory debate related to noncommercial radio and public media will continue. The escalation of comments made on the New Capital Show is a reminder of how heated these conversations can become.

EDIT: For those interested, these comments were made by Leo Gold early on in the program, in response to the boycott, Alex Jones recommendations, etc.:

It is never my intention to offend anybody or any caller or to belittle or to make it sound as if anybody is [not] entitled to a fair hearing, and if I did that, then I certainly regret it and I apologize. It’s not my intention to ever do that.

In fact, I’ve learned there’s an entire movement called truthers who are centered around this particular site, and I think the best thing I can do is say ‘if you are interested in this type of thing, conspiracies related to 9/11′ – essentially the belief, and I don’t think I’m misstating it, that there are nefarious elements within the U.S. government that were responsible for 9/11, either directly responsible for planning it or understanding it was going to happen and taking steps to allow that to go forward – ‘then there is a site for you.’ And the best thing I can do for those of you who are interested out there is tell you, you’ve got your man. Your man is Alex Jones. He lives in Austin, Texas, and I can only give you a word that that’s where you need to go if that’s what you’re interested in.

This is the type you’ll find there. Alex Jones is a media entrepreneur. You’ll have to pay to become a member to see his movies. His latest is called The Fall of the Republic. And of course this is meant to harken back to Roman times, when Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon and took control of what was then the Roman republic. What’s going on on Mr. Jones’ website, which he calls Prison Planet, is he’s apparently positing the new president, Barack Obama, is the new Caesar, who is going to destroy the American republic…

There it is, truthers, I’ve given you all the free publicity you need. You got it. I don’t have to agree with you. As a host here on KPFT, it’s my right to follow my conscience and what I believe. I don’t believe 9/11 was a conspiracy of the U.S. government. I believe the conspiracy of 9/11 came afterwards. That was a conspiracy to invade the country of Iraq. That was a conspiracy, no question about it. It was plotted in the White House. It was foisted and perpetrated on the American people, including by many, many members of our government. So that’s my belief. I don’t need to believe that because Building 7, or whatever the number was, didn’t fall down after 210-story buildings after it – the largest buildings in the world collapsed right next to it – ergo our government was involved in plotting and planning and allowing 9/11 to go forward. But I have given you plenty of publicity on this radio station.

So anyone listening who wants more of that, you can get it at Alex Jones and Prison Planet. Go to it, but I don’t have to agree with you. And just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean you need to call my business and leave me nasty messages. I did not engage in hate speech. I spoke directly to the information as I saw it on Prison Planet, the website referred to. And I stand by it.

There are some things our movements have in common, and I appreciate those things. We both believe in the need for more local food. Wonderful. That topic has been pioneered for decades by progressives. You want to pick it up yourselves, truthers? Have at it. We share with you.

We believe in problems in our federal government as well. Yes, we said that for a long time. This station was against the war in Vietnam, against the war in Afghanistan, against the war in Iraq and has been against all the adventures the United States has undertaken. You want to join that party? Welcome to the party.

However, one of you, in the wake of last week’s show, decided to post a call for a boycott. And you did it on many different forums. So I would say, we’re not your community, buddy. Your community is with Alex Jones. Go join him. We solve breast cancer. We raise money for the poor. We stand for social justice. We want to look at fair economics… We’ve got problems to solve. We can’t afford to sit here thinking Barack Obama has plans imminent and ready, through the swine flu virus, to declare martial law on the United States, because it was declared or the military was out in force during Hurricane Ike – one year after the military failed to provide protection for citizens in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina. We’ve got problems to solve, real problems… There’s lots of information out there, but I don’t have to go along with what you say is the truth.

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10 Responses to Conspiracy Debate & PubMedia Redux

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John Beatty

October 30th, 2009 at 10:52 am

Dear Mr. Aguilar,
I’d like to clear a few matters up, regarding this ongoing debate. First and foremost, the term: conspiracy theory. Although it has been warped to mean, “a far-fetched notion, believed only by people in tin foil hats”, the actual meaning, of course, is a theory, about a conspiracy. Using it as a Rush O’Rantityism, and attempting to spin the meaning negatively is not a new tactic, any more than brow-beating your opponent in any debate with negative connotations affixed to a mundane definition. The term conspiracy theory does not automatically preclude that the theory is wrong or flawed in any way. This is MSM spin at it’s best. The use of anger and degrading comments toward your adversary in debate, likewise, does not make your position stronger in the eyes of intelligent listeners. This only works on the weak and frightened, or perhaps the confused sheeple, looking for anyone to tell them that they have all the answers. For instance, your boy Leo, in addressing a small portion of my e-mail, stated that he had watched many 9/11 Truth videoes, shortly after he had stated that he didn’t know what Bilderberg is. To me, this is a laughable lie. Many “truth” videoes include the organization’s name and a definition of who they are and what they do. It is easy to spout bull and claim the high ground from that monolithic platform, with no caller to hold you to the facts. Bravo Leo!

In an attempt to alleviate a few misconceptions about our Movement… We are not a bunch of lock-step radicals with designs on political upheaval for some mysterious future vision. We are a collection of concerned individuals, with varying tastes, views, and visions for our future and that of our posterity. If I had to find the true common ground amongst us, I would point to our desire to return to, and stand by the Constitution of these United States. We are no organized malitia, and believe it or not, our HoustonTruth.org chapter disclaims violence of any kind, even in the face of this hostile takeover of our country. Many in our movement do not side with Alex Jones on this matter. Personally, I, like Thomas Jefferson, consider war, “the scourge of mankind”, and consider armed revolt as no more than a local war, where more innocents die. If you and Leo and the rest of your so-called “listener-sponsored”, “public radio”, gurus weren’t bound to your corporate masters, you might be more willing to discuss these matters fully and openly, before your audience, instead of hiding behind hang-ups and degrading monologues, meant to fire people’s insecurities and fears.

Yours in TRUTH,
John Beatty
HoustonTruth.org

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Ansel

October 30th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

John Beatty, you want to be taken seriously? The name one, just ONE “corporate master” that Ernesto and KPFT are “bound to.” Wtf does that even mean?

You’ve got your own views, great. Get a blog. Start a pirate radio station. Hold a protest. KPFT doesn’t owe you or your group anything beyond the opportunity to call in once in a while and share your opinion. That opportunity exists, it was never in jeopardy. So stop whining.

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Phil

October 30th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

It goes without saying that if you saw the videos of the fall of the WTC buildings and heard some of the words of those coming out of the building as well as words coming out of the mouths of correspondents talking to their news organizations moments after the initial attacks on the buildings, you will agree that there were explosions in the buildings even before they started to fall. You do not need any stretch of the imagination to realize that the socalled Arab hyjackers could not have planted bombs in the building and then took to the skies to fly their planes into the buildings for a good measure. The bombs could only have been planted prior and that was why the building 7 could have fallen without any planes hitting it. It was probably planned that a plane would hit the building too, but it did not happen inthe heat of the actual even. So, it is very difficult for me to understand why people would doubt that our own government was implicated in the event and probably used it as a way to start a new epoch coming at the end of the cold war to continue policies that promote war mongering. If KPFT is not going to give any more room for a fair discussion of the events of 911 and only going to brand those seeking the truth, so called truthers, then, it is very disheartening. What KPFT is doing then, is making all the efforts get lost just as those seeking the resolution of the Kennedy assasination never got beyond being called conspiracy theorists. So far they are succeeding since it is now 8 years after the event and most of it isn now mythological to be passed as another event that some foreign bodies inflicted on our nation. So, sad.

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Ernesto Aguilar

October 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

Hi John:

The term conspiracy theory does not automatically preclude that the theory is wrong or flawed in any way. This is MSM spin at it’s best.

Thanks for the clarification. I did my best not to give a negative connotation to notions of conspiracy theories, although there are certainly important critics like Berlet who offer a contextual view.

For instance, your boy Leo, in addressing a small portion of my e-mail, stated that he had watched many 9/11 Truth videoes, shortly after he had stated that he didn’t know what Bilderberg is. To me, this is a laughable lie.

I don’t think listeners care for (or really want) Leo to cite said videos, chapter and verse, or to spend time educating them about tenets of the 9/11 conspiracy movement. Those resources are readily available, and he cited your site and Jones’ for anyone to learn more. I expect most people understood the discussion to be a live-radio monologue in which Leo was seeking to present numerous pieces of information as an overview, not a dissertation, of matters at hand.

Picking at whether something was worded as you think is right instead of the essence of his comments is a distraction.

If you and Leo and the rest of your so-called “listener-sponsored”, “public radio”, gurus weren’t bound to your corporate masters, you might be more willing to discuss these matters fully and openly, before your audience

If putting listener sponsorship in quotes is intended to imply KPFT is not listener sponsored and instead is covering up a 9/11 conspiracy to serve corporate masters, I am afraid you’ll have to be far more persuasive than that.

I maintain the 9/11 story and conspiracy theories have been exhaustively investigated. Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman, whose program is broadcast twice daily, along with programs like Uprising and others, have dedicated time to the discussions. KPFT has aired 9/11 conspiracy discussions in the past – including segments of the conspiracy theory documentaries Loose Change and In Plane Sight before I became program director. There are no shortage of debate and materials online and elsewhere. To claim KPFT hasn’t been willing to have these discussions is false. We have given far more time to it than other popular conspiracies, such as the Obama birth certificate rigmarole, Holocaust denial, etc. Proponents of those allegations claim to have much evidence too.

I do agree there’s no interest on my part or Leo’s to throw on more discussions now, simply because there is not more we can add to what has already been done.

The sort of assumption above of the worst (‘gurus’ kowtowing to ‘corporate masters’), rather than your own failure to provide a convincing argument, is typical of a style of argument that proves very little.

instead of hiding behind hang-ups and degrading monologues, meant to fire people’s insecurities and fears.

See above.

KPFT’s Leo Gold brought light to a tactic he took seriously: a person going online to various venues to claim Leo was engaged in ‘hate speech,’ despised Alex Jones and ‘tarred and feathered’ a listener and that a boycott of the station’s pledge drive and Leo’s removal were in order. Leo Gold was, certainly, offended by some of the language and tactics you and others utilized in the campaign and sought to expose such. Leo addressed on air attempts to strongarm a program host and station to cover an issue, especially when organizers are woefully ignorant of the program and station (e.g. the original boycott claimed the New Capital Show is a two-hour program, when it’s one; left completely out is the previous coverage done on the 9/11 conspiracy theory, etc.). Leo was upfront in his apologies for offense taken, but stood by his opinions and his right to them.

If you feel he has no right to his opinions and to speak to listeners about them, say so. If you feel he has no right to any opinion unless the opposing view is represented, say that. Otherwise, I don’t understand your criticism. Listeners were offended when learning about the methods employed to bully Leo and KPFT into broadcasting 9/11 conspiracy theories and responded. Did you expect Leo Gold to take your abuse in silence? Were you expecting to be ignored as most people ignore the 9/11 conspiracy movement? Did you really think Leo would pretend someone was not going to websites to post recriminations against KPFT and him personally, and simply say nothing? With no offense intended, such thinking is naiveté, plain and simple.

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Leo Gold

October 30th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

Since this controversy began, I have spent time (that I really don’t have) reading more about the Truther movement and the tenets upon which its beliefs about 9/11 are based. If anything, the more I read THE LESS CREDIBLE I BELIEVE THIS MOVEMENT IS. And yet, its acolytes continue to urge me to learn MORE, as if I’m somehow going to have an epiphany about controlled demolitions, about WTC 7 falling without explanation, about pancaking floors, explosive sounds and puffs of smoke, exchanges between officials that cause the blinders to fall from eyes. The more about this I learn and read the MORE CREDIBLE THE GOVERNMENT EVEN RUN BY BUSH APPEARS. Man, that takes some doing.

New Capital Show has never focused on specifics of 9/11. It has always focused on the macroeconomic conditions that gave rise to a 9/11. I am far more interested in root causes than proximate events. I am asked all the time to air organizations and ideas, and most of them get turned down. The Truther movement is no different. It is entitled to whatever airing to which it is entitled, but New Capital Show is not it. And I’m sorry if that hurts anyone’s feelings, I don’t like to hurt feelings. I grew up with hurt feelings. But had the Truther movement built itself around a set of credible economic beliefs (which it may in fact have, I don’t dismiss that possibility), and its beliefs about 9/11 been merely a sideshow, who knows. But the 9/11 conspiracy is the grand, centerpiece of this entire movement, its very raison d’etre, and it makes the remainder that much more difficult to engage with. I have authors engaged in real and credible journalism contacting me regularly for exposure, and I see no reason, from what I know right now, to select the Truther movement over these other hardworking individuals.

That is why the Truthers work so hard to get everyone to undertand their “TRUTH” – because it is so outlandish and utterly unsubstantiated that all they have is the wing and prayer that if they jackhammer a “target” long enough the target will finally “see it.” So they must literally demand that the target take title to their material, read it, internalize it, and finally believe it. This method is not new, and is utilized by any number of religious sects. And that is exactly what this movement and its acolytes remind me of. Well I have spent my entire life being exposed to any number of ideas in any number of venues and institutions and environments. I wasn’t born yesterday and I have a credible record of taking in information, judging it, and then making a good faith attempt to apprehend reality. And that’s what this comes down to: John Beatty and Clint Milby think they’re a lot smarter and more perspicacious in receiving information than I am and if they became Truthers, then so must an idiot like me. Well, the joke’s on somebody here, and as someone who must assess odds on a regular basis in my business life, I’m willing to bet it’s not on me.

Leo

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John Beatty

October 30th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

Yes Ernesto,
I agree that there is no time in such a forum for the letter and verse of all the videoes Leo supposedly watched. However, the term Bilderberg is not foreign to most within the media, especially politically aware talk-show hosts. These discussions and videoes have been going around for years. If nothing else he should find out what and who these people are. You must remember that we do have an agenda as well. It is to get people talking about these very issues. Leo cited the publicity we received on his show yesterday, and he was right. We are appreciative that he took the time to address us, even in his smug manner. You might remember that, in your own words, you more than quadrupled your expected pledge goal. So it appears that there was a positive impact for your station as well. That’s what open debate is supposed to do, get people talking about the issues and learning more, so that they can better address them, if called on to do so. I know you understand this.

As to your remarks about my implication, through quotation marks that KPFT is not totally listener sponsored, I’m sure you do not want me citing “chapter and verse” on this issue. I truly have no wish to harm the efforts of your station, as a genuine voice for peace and freedom. Quite the contrary, I simply wish that the dialogue was honestly an open and free debate. Citing Amy Goodman’s subdued and guarded offerings on this issue will win you few friends in our circles. We refer to those who claim to honor peace and freedom, while offering half-truths, left gatekeepers. Even Rush has to spread a little truth amidst his manure, to maintain some semblance of credibility. The issue of our beliefs, not making it to air on your station, is an old one. It did not start last week or last year.

In closing I would like to thank you and Leo for taking us on. It is always good to practice our arguments and put them into words. As I said earlier, we are a collection of individuals. We have no generals or masters telling us what to think or do. Thus I speak only for myself, when I say, I do not wish a boycott on your station, or for anyone to lose their job over their beliefs, however misguided I believe them to be. I do very much wish for more honest and open-minded debate on the real issues confronting our nation. They are vastly greater and more insidious than you seem to believe, and if I could start you out on the right foot to seeing this light, I would highly recommend you take two hours and watch “Fall of the Republic: The Presidency of Barack Obama”. In his rush to judgement, Leo attacked Alex Jones for selling it on his website, as Leo begged for contributions for his own agendas. Just another small slap with no background knowledge. The truth is that Alex has done more to put free material in the hands of the public than anyone I can think of, and strongly encourages us to copy them and spread them to the masses. And our group alone, has handed out many thousands of such free videoes.

where you can watch it for free, please share it with Leo. Then judge the content. I think you will find yourself in agreement with the author and our Movement, as it is much more pointed at the world economic meltdown and it’s roots, than any other “so-called” conspiracy theory. And yes, I meant to imply that if it is a proven fact, it is not a theory. Call me nostalgic, but I still believe in science and the laws of nature over bald-faced lies and rhetoric.

I wish you knowledge. You can find a wealth of info and videoes on our website: HoustonTruth.org and it’s all FREE! Remember what Samuel Clemens, (a.k.a. Mark Twain) said. When you see your country’s democratic clothing being worn out, and you do nothing. You are not a patriot, but a traitor. I think we can all agree that those same clothes are threadbare and being worn out…Someday I trust you will be thanking these brave patriots that are now suffering castigation and abusive treatment, to attempt to enlighten you with the TRUTH!

Your friend in TRUTH,
John Beatty

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John Beatty

October 30th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

To Leo:
The joke IS on you, as it is on all of us. Their joke started long before you or I were born. You say you only want your show to deal with economics and government? Try discussing the Federal Reserve Act, enacted in 1913. This is when the international bankers were given the purse-strings to Fort Knox. They soon had WWI going, followed by the stockmarket crash, and the Great Depression They took down the gold standard, then the silver standard. Our current fiat, “paper standard” system is backed only by more paper. Hence the problems. Too far-fetched for you? Too outlandish? No facts to support my statements? I dare you to deny a word. I could write for weeks on all the covered-up truths of the 9/11 incident, but suffice to say that it too was an inside job. It is so much easier to judge and cast aspersions, without true knowledge, than to spend the time to actively seek the truth. So in the final analysis we are all guilty to some degree of “following the leader”, when it comes to our beliefs. I too, was deluded by the media hype immediately following 9/11. Few people were not. I have ever been a seeker of knowledge and a free thinker. I would ask no one to take my word on faith, or assume that I have all the answers. I do not. I simply encourage them to open-mindedly investigate and make their own decisions.

And Dats Da TRUTH,
John Beatty

p.s. re: your e-mail to me about finding the truth in meditation with the Zen priests, I can only say, “Funny, you don’t look Buddhish” ;-)

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Ernesto Aguilar

October 30th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Hi again John,

You might remember that, in your own words, you more than quadrupled your expected pledge goal. So it appears that there was a positive impact for your station as well. That’s what open debate is supposed to do, get people talking about the issues and learning more, so that they can better address them, if called on to do so. I know you understand this.

Yes, I do. However, let’s not get this matter confused.

Such talking/learning/fundraising was not the intention of the boycott Clint Milby called for allies to support. Given your recent email (referenced on air) lambasting Leo rather than the boycott, any pretense you do not wish to see a boycott or Leo to lose his program seems odd.

Our fundraising this program is a rejection by listeners of bullying tactics and a failed boycott.

The dialogue fostered is a result of Leo’s passion for the community, which some calling for and promoting negative actions against KPFT intended to hurt with their actions.

As to your remarks about my implication, through quotation marks that KPFT is not totally listener sponsored, I’m sure you do not want me citing “chapter and verse” on this issue.

No, actually I would like you to cite chapter and verse. Please. KPFT receives about 90 percent of its funding from listeners, around six percent from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and the remainder from a variety of sources, including grants, matching gifts, etc. Your implication we are not listener sponsored at all (i.e. remarks of ‘so-called’ listener sponsorship, with followup statements KPFT is ‘bound’ to corporate masters) is not accurate.

The truth is that Alex has done more to put free material in the hands of the public than anyone I can think of, and strongly encourages us to copy them and spread them to the masses.

I’ve taken the liberty of removing the video link. Anyone who wants to find it online can do so. It is provided with the statement Leo didn’t do research and hints Jones does not sell DVDs. This is not accurate.

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Mark S Bilk

October 31st, 2009 at 9:25 am

The U.S. government’s explanation for the 9/11 attacks is
a conspiracy _theory_, for which very little evidence has
been given. By contrast, the 9/11 truth researchers have
analyzed the WTC videos, the dust, the witness testimony,
etc., using the methods of science, and have proved beyond
any reasonable doubt that WTC 1, 2, and 7 were destroyed by
pre-planted explosives and thermite, and that they could not
have been destroyed by the airplane crashes and fires.

An excellent introduction to the subject is the 3-hour special
broadcast on 10/27/2009 by the program Taking Aim, on Pacifica
Radio station WBAI-FM New York, and the web pages linked in
the show’s description, here:

http://takingaimradio.com/shows/audio.html#091027

Taking Aim has also done many programs about Obama, the “swine
flu”, the economic crash, etc., all with full references to
the supporting evidence.

More information on 9/11 and the New World Order (a term used
by GHW Bush and other politicians to denote their desired world
fascist dictatorship) can be found linked on my website here:

http://cosmicpenguin.com/

At least 2,000,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq have been
murdered by the U.S. government using 9/11 as the false pretext.
Our Bill of Rights has largely been revoked by the PATRIOT
act, Homeland Security Act, Military Commissions Act, etc.
The government has threatened to censor or even totally shut
down the Internet if it claims that an emergency exists.
The U.S. government has adopted _torture_ of prisoners as a
standard method for obtaining false confessions to justify ever
more mass murders. The U.S. government has decreed that it
has the right to murder any number of people, in any nation in
the world, in furtherance of a never-ending “War on Terror”.
All of this has been done based on the lie that the World
Trade Center was destroyed by “Moslem terrorists”.

The new Millennium, which had been anticipated by people all
over the world as a flowering of world community and technology,
has been hijacked, and turned into a dark unending time of
worldwide fear, domination and mass murder by the United States,
England, and Israel — all based on the 9/11 attacks that were
actually perpetrated by the U.S. government upon its own nation.

Therefore, the proven _fact_ that the 9/11 attacks were
perpetrated by our own government is the single most important
factor in the events of our time, and it therefore deserves
the _daily_ attention of listener-supported media like KPFT,
in conjunction with every item of news regarding the wars,
military spending, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Israel,
Pakistan, Iran, surveillance cameras in the U.S. and England,
all laws and executive orders affecting the rights and freedoms
of the American people, etc.

Mentioning the truth about 9/11 once or twice a year does not
even begin to convey to the listening public the implications
and importance of this matter. Yet this is the practice
at KPFT. The reason for this dysfunctional situation at KPFT
becomes clear when the station’s Program Director,
Ernesto Aguilar, espouses the smear attacks by the SPLC
and Chip Berlet against investigators of covert operations,
falsely claiming that the investigators’ research results are
fabrications motivated by racism and right-wing politics.

In actual fact, researchers of covert operations (smeared
as “conspiracy theorists”) come from both sides of the
political/economic spectrum, and many express no political
preference at all. As counter-examples to the SPLC/Berlet
smears, the hosts of Taking Aim are socialists, I (their
web administrator) am a social-democrat, and at least one
other person taking issue with Leo Gold is also a leftist.

By the way, why hasn’t Leo Gold’s program from 10/29 been
archived on KPFT’s website? It has now been more than 40
hours since the broadcast. If the station has lost the audio
file, they are welcome to download it from my website here.
(I missed the first minute or two of the stream — “1302″
designates Pacific Time.)

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/kpft/LeoGold.KPFT.091029.1302.mp3

Mark S Bilk

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Ernesto Aguilar

October 31st, 2009 at 10:11 am

Mark: a few replies.

Therefore, the proven _fact_ that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by our own government is the single most important factor in the events of our time, and it therefore deserves the _daily_ attention of listener-supported media like KPFT…

To the suggestion we should be promoting 9/11 conspiracy theories daily, I’m afraid we simply have a differene of opinion. I respect and appreciate your viewpoint. In my work as program director, I get lots of listener feedback that we should be doing various content more or less, and I value those views. However, I believe we do a great deal to educate listeners about many important issues and creative/cultural expressions. 9/11 conspiracy theories, to me, aren’t the biggest programming priority.

The reason for this dysfunctional situation at KPFT becomes clear when the station’s Program Director, Ernesto Aguilar, espouses the smear attacks by the SPLC and Chip Berlet against investigators of covert operations, falsely claiming that the investigators’ research results are fabrications motivated by racism and right-wing politics.

"Espouses the smear attacks by the SPLC and Chip Berlet against investigators of covert operations"? Really? Okay, for those keeping score:

SPLC has a long record of tracking the racist and patriot movements (which, it notes, at times intersect). It has won judgments for families of people murdered by skinheads. It has shut down Ku Klux Klan organizing. I understand the SPLC is largely vilified in some circles. Fine. If you dispute the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, demonstrate such. But ‘smears’ against ‘investigators’ is puffery.

Chip Berlet is similarly one of the most respected progressive voices on matters of right-wing populism. He’s been tracking these matters for nearly a generation. He’s been a guest on dozens of mainstream and progressive media programs to talk about these issues. If you believe Chip Berlet is lying, be upfront and say so.

You state we should be relating 9/11 conspiracy theories every day. I appreciate your view. I do not agree.

In actual fact, researchers of covert operations (smeared as “conspiracy theorists”) come from both sides of the political/economic spectrum

No one has said that isn’t the case. I pointed to the Nation and East Bay Express articles, which note same. I like the title "researchers of covert operations." Clever.

By the way, why hasn’t Leo Gold’s program from 10/29 been archived on KPFT’s website?

As mentioned already, KPFT experienced a power outage that affected the area of town KPFT is in the afternoon of the program, as the result of severe rainstorms that blanketed Houston. Our archiver is on site and saved files out of sequence when the power came back on. Our web admin is part time, and should be back Monday (or so… we actually have other stuff to do besides quash conspiracies of suppressed programs) to upload files. Thanks for the link.

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